HOST: Here at StoryCorps, we’re celebrating our 20th anniversary by revisiting classic StoryCorps conversations from our first two decades… with updates from the participants…

2004 INTERVIEW:

Debora Brackarz (DB) and Mike Wolmetz (MW)

DB: My name is Debora Brakarz, I’m 26 years old.

MW: My name is Mike Wolmetz but call me Mike. I’m 25 years old.

DB: And we’re at the StoryCorps interview booth in Grand Central Terminal, New York City.

HOST: The conversation between this young couple was one of the first we ever broadcast on the radio… back in 2004. At the time, Mike and Debora had only been dating for 3 months.

2004 INTERVIEW:

DB: So, what was the most emotionally painful thing that ever happened? 

MW: Uh, thinking about it takes my breath away, but, uh, my father passing  away, of course, just over two years ago. And he was the closest person to me. It was sudden and he was supposed to pick me up from the airport in New York. And I got to the airport and I called my house and my mother said, ‘Um, you know, your aunt’s gonna pick you up.’

Obviously I could detect something in her voice. There’s no way that you could hide that. And I was like, ‘Tell me what it is.’ My mother said, ‘I don’t wanna tell you like this. And I was like, ‘Tell me. You have to tell me. Tell me.’ And, she told me that he died in the middle of the night.

I stood there and watched the bags go around the carousel and I waited for my bag and I went outside and I got in my aunt’s car. And, uh, I felt like no other time in my life. So this is the ring that my father gave to my mother, and we can leave it there. Um, and he saved up and he purchased this and he proposed to my mother with this.

And so I thought that I would give it to you. So that he could be with us for this also. Um, so, I’m gonna share a mic with you right now Debora. Where’s the right finger? Debora, will you please marry me? 

DB: Yeah, of course. I love you. 

MW: So kids, this is how your mother and I got married. In a booth in Grand Central Station, uh, with my father’s ring. My grandfather was a cab driver for 40 years. Used to pick people up here every day, so it seems right.

[MUSIC]

DB: I wanted to know if there’s… a vision for the future about… let’s say 20 years.

MW: 20 years? That’s a long time. Okay…

DB: How old will you be in 20?

MW: In 20 years I’ll be 45 years old. Um, there’s a Portuguese phrase…

DB: Cada vez que você faz um plano, Deus ri.

MW: Every time you make a plan, God laughs.

DB: Yeah.

MW: I believe that. So I have no idea what I’ll be doing. But I know I’ll be with you.

[MUSIC POST AND OUT]

2023 INTERVIEW:

MW: My name is Mike Wolmetz. I’m here with my wife Debora Brakarz.

DB: It’s been almost 20 years, we’re still together and we have two kids, Iago who’s 14 and Luca, who’s 11.

MW: You know, we went through a lot of tissues during our first interview…

DB: [Laughs] I don’t say a lot but I cry a lot. 

MW: You know, I also cried during it. It really brought back memories of the earliest days of a relationship. Also just how much we spoke to, like, our future children. How, uh, presumptuous was that? Like I don’t think before saying those words had I even thought about the idea of having children. I was 24 years old. 

DB: We were young and in love. 

MW: Yes, I definitely was that, but I was not young and in love with children. 

DB: [Laughs]

MW: I just want to say that it was uh, not at all the intention when we did this to have our proposal broadcast. The intention was to have it recorded for our own posterity. 

DB: Do you remember what we did right after we came out of the interview?

MW: We got on the train. I mean, the whole idea was we did this in a train station, so how could we not just get on a train. And… I think we went to a bed-and-breakfast somewhere, maybe just outside the city. 

DB: Yeah. You wanted to celebrate and you knew that I liked history, so you found this little historic B & B and…. 

MW: You had told me how you are part of a history club and I only learned later that it wasn’t a real history club. It was a Lord of the Rings fan club. 

DB: I didn’t want you to think that I was a geek or something so I just fudged that it was medieval history instead of Lord of the Rings.   

MW: And this is a lesson. Sometimes you don’t know everything about your partner, uh, when you get engaged, especially if it’s after three months. 

What do you hope our kids, or, our grandkids, take away from listening to these recordings?

DB: So I hope they will learn who we were back then as a young couple in love, with all these hopes and dreams and no responsibilities…

2004 INTERVIEW:

MW: You’re a much better singer than me so please help me out as much as you can…

MW & DB: [Sing] Love me tender love me sweet, never let me go. 

2023 INTERVIEW:

DB: … and then, in this interview, they will meet us as an established couple who went through all the growing pains of getting to know each other. Who learned about each other and ourselves, and had problems in life but were very fortunate to be able to overcome them. 

2004 INTERVIEW:

MW & DB: [Sing] For my darling –

MW: [Sings] Debora I love you… and I always will.

[MUSIC]

HOST: That was Mike Wolmetz and his wife Debora Brakarz… 

If you’re wondering whether their kids have listened to their interview yet… well, they tried… and found it boring. We might have to wait another 20 years for that update.